Trent models that approach each. I do talk about this in my book and there, I note that its used differently than in Sirach 18:17, where the word is also used in those situations. So ultimately, weve seen this and I think whats important to remember all of this, that these dogmas do not take the place of Christ. Peels notes in his study of the passage, Jesus is not marking beginning and end points in time but rather is contrasting Abels secret death in the wilderness with Zechariahs public death in the Temple. Some rabbis opposed the scriptural status of six booksRuth, Esther, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Solo-mon, and Ezekiel. As I mentioned in my book, the case for Catholicism Pauls letter to the Thessalonians, he talks about the force restraining the man of lawlessness. I do talk about how much evidence that Greek word has for the immaculate conception, and I also note in my book its use in the Book of Sirach. I mean, aside from the dogmas, I think one of the ones that make me cringe is that Catholics worship Mary, where every time I hear that, Im like And I brought it up, but I explained I came about it through a different way. Sure. The claim that Mary did not give birth to other children because Jesus is called the son of Mary. And my contention is that if Adam had not fallen and inherited original sin, he would not have died. Campbell states that when it comes to Josephus claims about a universal Hebrew canon, as well as an entire manuscript tradition that had never been altered, Josephuss rhetoric has run ahead of reality. And number two, when it comes to veneration, worship, honor, give someone the respect that theyre due. It talks about the universality of sin, like in Romans 3:23, All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But Paul is talking about the universality of personal sin between Jews and non-Jews. Well talk about adelphos more in the rebuttal period. In 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven, meaning he did not see death either before being assumed to heaven. And if he had met sister-in-law, such as Marys sister in John chapter 19, he wouldve utilize the Greek word, [Greek 00:47:36] thats used in the book of Ruth to describe Orpahs relationship with Ruth. The danger of submitting to this fallible authority extends to submitting to their authority of their unbiblical view of salvation of infusion of grace through the sacraments, which also contradicts Scripture, which teaches justification by imputation of grace by faith alone. And most commentaries agree that this passage parallels what Hannah says in First Samuel 2:1, and she likewise doesnt mention sin. Are you going to answer the question, does it describe her giving birth to anyone else or say she gave birth to anyone else? According to Old Testament scholar Otto Kaiser, the deuterocanonical books presuppose the validity of the Law and the Prophets and also utilize the Ketubim or Writings collection which was, at the time, still in the process of formation and not yet closed (Old Testament Apocrypha, 2). And Steve, stick around because Ive got one final question for both of you, but I wanted to say two things before I do that. Be sure to check out Steve's speech at Wyohackathon.io it was a very interesting talk about the history of money. Yeah. I just want to make sure. As Trent Horn stated in his debate against Dr. James White, Our theology should come from the Bible, not the Bible from our theology. Thats Sola Scriptura, folks, and I agree with him as did the Apostle Paul and the first century Roman Church. I believe all things are possible with God. So feel free to answer that briefly. So as far as I know, I dont know offhand but that doesnt mean that its not being used. Christie has nine field goals in overtime to his credit, an NFL record he shares with Jason Elam and Jim Breech. Mary being the mother of God, ever virgin, immaculately conceived and bodily assumed into heaven. Discover Geoffrey Stephen "Steve" Christie 's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. Thank you very much, Trent. An interview of Gary Habermas with Steve Forkin of No Apologies; Video Link . And then take heart in knowing that these teachings about Mary dont contradict Scripture, and then we can further infer and try to understand what are the sources of divine revelation. Lets see, in Catholic Answers encyclopedia, it says that Andrew, the brother of Peter, is also called the son of Jonah. How about Marys parents and Joseph who was from the same tribe who she was betrothed to? Because you could say, Well, Solomon is the son of David, but David had many other children besides Solomon. I agree with what that person teaches. And I think thats something that we do find. And so in seeing these Marian dogmas that they dont contradict Scripture, we can move forward in our understanding of authority to see what the church Christ established really has taught and given to us for salvation. He became sin for us. Okay. An interview with Steve Baughman. We must be careful, of course, that in Marion devotion, sometimes people use very flowery language that they shouldnt necessarily be taken literally because they love Mary as the mother of God who leads us to her son. But I think Steve would agree the word adelphos typically means a person has the same biological father and mother and of course, Steve doesnt believe that because he believes Jesus has no biological father. A person could be a Protestant, because we have to understand what a Protestant is and we have to go back to the Reformation for it. When the Bible talks about all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, as I mentioned in my opening statement, its a Greek word pas, which means, everyone, which would include Mary. Finally, this debate is not about Marian doctrines or theological opinions about Mary. And itll be really quick. Sponsored by SaltLending.com and Epic.Tech. No, I can think of anything like that, but I would say that Marys status as being the God bearer would mean thered be many truths that are quite unique to her that we dont find in either old or New Testament. Now, as I said, we do find this in other roughly contemporary literature. By that argument, St. Anne would also have to be immaculately conceived. And I showed counter examples to that in each of those cases. Well, not necessarily. Hallow.com/mattfred. Can it be used in the case without contradicting scripture? It has all the free resources including the Study Guide to his first book, all his Bible studies, and his contact info: http://vernisage.us/stevechristie/ Steve Christie has also appeared on the Third Man Podcast: Steve Christie has written several books: Yeah. Nice to have you. But there are many problems with this speculative argument. Your view is that the word adelphos, what it means in the brethren is that its talking about Jesus and siblings, they have the same mother but they have different fathers. Steve Christie also has his own website. [These verses] cannot figure as crown witnesses for the view that the Old Testament canon in Jesus days was fixed and closed (The Blood from Abel to Zachariah). If any man should presume to make such an attempt, let him know that he will incur the wrath of almighty God and the blessed apostles, Peter and Paul. For example, Strongs 80, are you aware that it describes adelphos, it says a brother, a member of the same religious community, a fellow Christian. If you guys want, I just had a dialogue with Steve and Jeff on their channel. Some of these questions are for both of you but it might be better if I ask a question, just one of you respond since we have so many. The 33-yard field goal came with just :35 to play, giving the Bills a win over the Titans, who had knocked them out of the playoffs the year before. So he would be referred to as the son of Joseph sometimes. We wouldnt expect it. So idolatry, according to the catechism and paragraph 2113 says idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. So my point would be that if we would show that devotion to the means through which Jesus died, why wouldnt we show that similar devotion through the means by which Jesus was born? Okay. Yeah. Why is there disagreement between relatives, older stepbrothers, cousins, et cetera? When it came to the immaculate conception, Steve did not really put forward any argument to show Mary sinned herself. Because as Steve agreed with me in this debate, the Greek word adelphos can mean adoptive sibling or half sibling. The proclamation on Marys immaculate conception says that the fathers unanimously believe that which is false. So lets take a look at them. When Mary says My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God, my savior. This doesnt prove that Mary committed a sin. Even Trent has argued that the word does not mean to be immaculately conceived. And what I would say here is that I agree that use of [inaudible 01:22:20] in Luke 1:28 does not prove the doctrine of the immaculate conception. But if their authority is a Roman Catholic church and the Magisterium, then it becomes an authority issue because then youre submitting to an authority that is also teaching something different about salvation that has nothing to do with these dogmas. That seems to be something that went without contention. I know not man. Its the same Greek words that Mary says when she says, I know not man.. Because I know every one of these points you could go back and forth on a lot, but lets try to keep it to just the main response and then a response to the response. Does the Bible ever say Mary was not assumed into heaven? I didnt talk about sister-in-law. So does that mean that Mary could have had daughters because it says, the son of Mary? When Trent tries to use this argument, hes using a logical fallacy referred to as the argument by exception. So unlike Twitter and YouTube, Im not going to get banned from saying the sorts of things I say that go against secular dogma. Itll change your life, no doubt. Thank you very much, Trent. All right. Indeed, the Talmudic tract Sanhedrin 100B refers to rabbis with-drawing Sirach, or declaring it to be no longer inspired and thus withdrawn from synagogue reading. After an in-depth study of the writings of the Church Fathers, both Steve and his wife Janet converted to the Catholic Church. We are going to be moving into a time of cross-examination where each debater will get 10 minutes each. Does it say that every single human being without exception has committed a sin? Were going to talk about the dogmas of the faith. So it still fits semantically. The YouTube show, which was created by Kyle Curtis and Steve McRae, often featured interesting guests, such as Hugh Ross, Inspiring Philosophy, Shannon Q, Sy Garte, Matt Dillahunty, Paulogia, Lawrence Krauss, and more. Theres a lot of people in scripture including Joseph that doesnt say anything that she gave birth to anybody and others that he didnt give birth to older step siblings of Jesus, so thats an argument from silence. And I really appreciate that you are arguing against Catholicism based on what she teaches, right? Christie, 47, played for the Bills from 1992 to 2000. In his recent book Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, Protestant apologist Steve Christie claims that all Christians should accept the Protestant Old Testament canon and reject the deuterocanonical books of Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1and 2 Maccabees, and portions of Daniel and Esther. And my focus was on the word, adelphi, which Trent really didnt focus on, on his opening statement. Greg is one of the leading apologists of our day and has had a huge impact on my personal and professional life. And I truly believe that because youre a nice guy. in Aberdeen Scotland., The United Kingdom Just keep it shorter than his response. Thats just how debates work. It can mean half-sister, stepsister, sister-in-law.. Because if you look in Strongs Greek Exhaustive Concordance and how it is used in the New Testament, which is what the debate is about not extra biblical work, it is used consistently and only to describe biological siblings. We should only offer that to the father and the holy sacrifice of the mass. No, Im not saying that the use of the definite article means that Mary had only one child. And if that is your authority, thats what makes you a Protestant. He went on to score 1108 points in 156 consecutive regular season and post-season games and still stands as the top scorer in Bills' history. Finally, Christies Pharisee argument for the Protestant Old Testament canon fails because its logic can be used to make a similar argument for a completely different Old Testament canon. Some people dont die at all. So Steve even admits that Jesus is an exception to the claims about the universality of sin. A fully independent, lay-run, 501(c)(3) ministry that receives no funding from the institutional Church, we rely entirely on the generosity of everyday people like you to keep this website going with trustworthy, fresh, and relevant content. It would be an evidence chip, if you will, for it that we have to balance with other evidences. And another is a partial contradiction, such as the dogma of Jehovahs Witnesses on the identity of Jesus. I dont know if I would. Okay. Thats all I got. Thank you very much, Steve. He says, Steve. And again, scripture states, Because Jesus is God is why he would not inherit sin like Mary did, because Mary is not God, unless Trent is going in that direction, which I dont think it is. This is make or break time. Okay. It says that, actually, I believe in First Corinthians. And even if it wasnt, I dont see the relevance to it. But renowned Protestant Greek grammarian Bill Mounce says Jesus reference to Nicodemus as the teacher of Israel is actually a sarcastic rebuke. Its a word that really should be used strictly for God. So my point here is clear. A four-month investigation found the late Ravi Zacharias leveraged his reputation as a world-famous Christian apologist to abuse massage therapists in the United States and abroad over more than. Those would be irrelevant to the question. So Im well aware of that. If this verse in Psalm 69 is applied non-literally to Jesus, the verse that talks about, My mothers sons, can also be applied in a non-literal way. You can see him and others talk about this on the Reason and Theology Channel. Second, the Zechariah killed in 2 Chronicles was the son of Jehoiada, not Berechiah. Click the link in the description below to go through to the greatest Catholic prayer and meditation app on the planet. Trent had mentioned about the age of accountability. Make an Appointment I will take away their sins. Dear catholic.com visitors: This website from Catholic Answers, with all its many resources, is the worlds largest source of explanations for Catholic beliefs and practices. Athanasius likewise calls Wisdom and Judith Scripture and appeals to Wisdom 7:25-27 as evidence for the deity of Christ. WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Protestant Old Testament Canon - Kindle edition by Christie, Steve. G.K. Chesterton - famous author, philosopher, theologian, apologist. He writes, As a Pharisee, the apostle Paul would have understood the Law and the Prophets to refer to only those writings found in Protestant Old Testaments today. But this argument fails for the following reasons. It would behoove us, then, to follow in their example and praise the gift of Gods word that comes to us in these writings and critically examine arguments such as those presented by Steve Christie that would tempt us to reject a portion of Gods sacred revelation. He serves as a staff apologist for Catholic Answers, where he specializes in teaching Catholics to graciously and persuasively engage those who disagree with them. The Pharisees did not have unique doctrinal authority over all other Jews since, Jesus said the Pharisees shared the seat of Moses with the scribes (Matt. And again, as a Roman Catholic, I would expect them to because their issue is not about Mary. And weve also addressed that frequently at catholic.com. I guess, after the New Testament, I guess heres a fun question, which of the church fathers would you be okay with preaching at your church? . I wouldnt assume that that involves a vow virginity, but I think theres a different context in relation to the fact that we have betrothal between Mary and Joseph, that its an odd construction. In his work The Bible is a Catholic Book, Akin notes of the Pharisees canon that the boundaries of this collection were still somewhat fuzzy. So before she could go into heaven and have a heavenly body, she had to be rid of them, and thats why the apostle Paul says that we were like Adam and we also, which includes Mary, we also are heavenly. 18. In Super Bowl XXVIII, Christie set a Super Bowl record by kicking a 54-yard field goal. This is hard, isnt it? So I dont believe that the church in the biblical sense has been an era all that time. And Steve has said, Well, we know theres an exception because the Bible says that Jesus is the exception. So clearly, then, that means the Bible can make universal statements, but sources of divine revelation can give us those exceptions. Why was she shocked about the enunciation? Alright what about the Immaculate Conception? It can also refer to a half sibling as well, such as in the Old Testament, the word for brother is used to refer to Ruben as being the brother of his half brothers. So Ive got two more questions here. Catholic answers the firms that while Mary was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin, yet she was not made exempt from the temporal penalties of Adam, such as death. This means not only was she conceived sinless, but remained sinless her entire life. And we can actually discern from others passages in scripture that Jesus brothers are his biological younger half siblings. Lets talk about the perpetual virginity of Mary. This is actually based on Jeromes incorrect translation, where he used the word ipsa for she, rather than the corrected translation, which is ipsum for he, which is actually supported in Romans chapter 16 when it says, Jesus is the prince whose heel would be bruised.. Since he is the uncreated sinless deity conceived by the holy spirit. I want to comment on his use of the word veneration. Apologetics for the Masses #366 - 4 Words That Changed the World, Part III. And so if it doesnt contradict scripture, then it should be an issue between Catholics and Protestants of secondary importance, much like how people disagree about infant baptism. It is often said, in order to detect a counterfeit bill, you dont study other counterfeit bills, but instead you first study the genuine thing, then youll be able to detect a counterfeit easily. I already have. Okay. The importance of discussing these Marian dogma is more than merely to debate them. But were not debating whether the Bible teaches the immaculate conception. When it comes to savior, I would just challenge Steve, where does Luke 1:46 through 48 talk about sin? Debate: Do Protestants Have the Correct Old Testament Canon? In 2004, Christie was signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars to put some pressure on struggling rookie Josh Scobee. The Pharisees had unique teaching authority in Israel, and the Pharisees canon was essentially the same as the Protestant Old Testament canon. But I mean, some of the early ones, Id probably Definitely not Judas Iscariot. Trent had mentioned about Mary and her Magnificat saying, God, my savior, and she was referring back to Hannah. Im not sure that that is in Genesis 19:9. In fact, as Baptist scholar Lee Mcdonald points out, the book of Malachi only implores its listeners to remember the law of Moses, which would be strange if there were a fixed set of writings established by Ezra called the prophets at this time. After Marys days of purification were completed in Luke two, she made burnt and sin offerings, which according to Leviticus 12 was required of mothers to make atonement or to cover their sins, which Mary would not need to do if she were immaculately conceived. Were going to be taking those questions. Trent, you have 10 minutes to cross examine Steve, whenever you begin. He is resolutely atheist, but not of the 'religion poisons everything' variety; he thinks institutional religion - while based on an entirely false premise - can evolve and be a force for good. Did they think that there was anything unbiblical about Mary being ever Virgin? And the other concern, again, that I have is from Lumen Gentium, which is a Dogmatic Constitution of the Church, that it is binding to Catholics that even if a Roman pontiff does not speak ex cathedra, it is binding. A concrete example of this would be sacrifice. For forty years he has been a fixture in the firmament of the apologetic pantheon, lecturing worldwide and publishing popular books like The End of Reason and Jesus Among Other Gods. And the same is true for us, that Mary was free from sin, but she still had an earthy body. The question for Joseph-. The same in any intellectual study. So then it isnt literally saying every single human has sinned or every man has sinned. Search. Oh wow. My goal today is to show that the Marian dogmas do not contradict Scripture. Even a son of Mary would be interesting, rather its the fact that Jesus was referred through a metronym rather than a patronym, that normally in the ancient near east, you would refer to someone as the son of their father, the son of Joseph.. Moreover, his arguments for a shorter Old Testament canon are contradicted by the biblical and historical evidence. Jesus does not rebuke her. They can live out the gospel teaching in their unique holy family. There is no exception there. By providing an accessible and growing repository of teaching materials, as well as providing a means of networking within the apologetics community, ourvisionis to be a significant educational resource for churches, campus groups, and Christians around the world. So I would actually tell people to focus more on that. My screen name is BornAgainRN, so you can look at me that way. So it is quite shocking. Trent, in your recent podcast rebutting Ray Comfort, you said Jesus is the only person referred to as the son of Mary. Anyone who denies this dogma automatically contradicts scripture because if Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus. Thats fine. He rejected that dogma, though he did not believe Matthew 1:25 proved it. Dr. Tony Costa and Steve Christie, The Issue of Canon and Sola Scriptura - The Council, Presuppositional Apologetics Round Up: Third week of August 2021 | The Domain for Truth, Response to Sam Shamoun's post Purgatory debate recap of Dr. Michael Brown against William Albrecht - The Council, Responding to Gary Michuta's Abel to Zechariah Counter-Arguments with Steve Christie & Paul - The Council, The Marian Dogmas Contradict Scripture, Trent Horn Vs. Steve Christie - The Council, Necessitarianism: Conceive of the Possibilities. Hallow.com/mattfred, click the link in the description below. As Trent Horn shared with Matt Fradd on Sips with Aquinas Ooh. Well, it is an argument that actually I hear from a lot of contemporary Catholic apologists. When it comes to savior, the word is used in a lot of different ways in the whole of scripture, not just in the New Testament. Both the Old and the New Testaments also use firstborn to indicate firstborn among other siblings, such as Esau being Isaacs firstborn and Ruben as Jacobs first born, meaning they were not firstborns out of their fathers wombs, considering men dont have wombs, but firstborn among their other children. Trent mentioned about dying once. According to one commentary Marys song like Hannahs declares that security and significance are found in a God who would care about the broken and poor enough to give himself to them. I just think, Well, yeah, Id also want to make my foster father perfect. I do remember in that debate with James White five years ago, saying, Our theology should come from the Bible, not the Bible from our theology. And I was not arguing for Sola Scriptura. Sep 29, 2021. - Fr. Matthew was simply not concerned with telling us what did happen after Jesus was born. Thats right. Psalm 130, verse eight, promises God will redeem Israel from all its iniquities. Christiaan Kappes. So to everybody whos watching, please stick around. Second, this debate is not about the church fathers or Christian history. Get your complimentary mortgage payment estimate* Apply Now. Aaron Frederick, one of my YouTube subscribers, rightly observed, In a courtroom, evidence that is thrown out or dismissed by a court cannot be used to find a verdict. Yeah. And these brothers still struggle on the same land 3,800 years later. A protestant scholar Craig keener says neither the title favored or graced one nor the promise the Lord is with you was traditional in greetings even if the person had been of status. Not Really Of Us: Why Do Children of Christian Parents Abandon the Faith? Yet, if Mary did not inherit the stain of original sin passed down from Adam, she would not have died and therefore no need to rescue her from death before her earthly life ended. Dr. Steven Christie, MD is a Diagnostic Radiology Specialist in Miami, FL and has over 28 years of experience in the medical field. But in the infancy narrative, were just talking about the birth of the firstborn in accord with The Mosaic Law. Christie then nailed a 46-yard field goal in overtime, giving the Bills their third victory of the season. And I showed in my arguments that his claim that adelphei can only mean uterine sister of the same mother, or figurative, are simply not held up. In that day, you will surely die. Which he eventually did. Okay. Mark chapter three, even though it doesnt explicitly state that these are Jesuss siblings, the Greek word literally means to be, like of that individual. And again, thats the view of John Chrysostom. Luke does use monogenes to talk about the death of ones only child, for example, in different parts of his gospel. Geoffrey Stephen Christie (born November 13, 1967)[1] is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League (NFL), who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. First Corinthians 15, in my opening statement, it says that there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies and people who have earthly bodies are sown perishable, meaning corruptible in dishonor, meaning contempt, reproach. Trent had mentioned about, Well, it could mean sister-in-law. Well, the apostle John actually quoted from the Old Testament, from the Septuagint, frequently. Which church father would you want to preach at your church? This is not the rule. No, Bauckham talks about this in his article that in some context, Jesus would be referred to as the son of Joseph, especially among those who were not familiar with his family life in Nazareth. On July 2, 2007, Christie joined the Toronto Argonauts of the Canadian Football League by signing a practice roster agreement with the team. Yeah. Please join our community. Timothy Michael Law, who serves as the co-editor of the Oxford Handbook on the Septuagint, says the deuterocanonical books were included in the Septuagint and that it would also be mistaken to imagine that they have never been read as divine Scripture.. And Im curious, you used a comment about Jesus being the son of Mary. Do you still have it? He is also a registered nurse and Steve discusses the challenges of balancing ministry and a career. And I think we both agree on the assumption, Steve said it the Bible does not say Mary was not assumed into heaven, and in order to try to show her assumption would contradict it, we had to use a very speculative argument about that she did not need to be rescued from death, even though that doesnt apply to every case where God would take someone into heaven. Submit to my authority. Okay, I get that. Steven Pinker is a scientist and public intellectual, provocative, informed and informative. Let no one dwell in their tents. This is later applied in Acts 120, but not to a group of people, to an individual, namely Judas. Then theres going to be a time of cross-examination, and then were going to do 30 minutes of Q&A. The word adelphos is used numerous times in both the Old and New Testament to describe people who have had the same parents. 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